Opened 18 years ago

Closed 17 years ago

#1720 closed defect (wontfix)

On, swapon sometimes fails

Reported by: martyman99999@… Owned by: archaic@…
Priority: highest Milestone: 6.2
Component: Bootscripts Version: SVN
Severity: blocker Keywords:


I'm up on and UDEV 085. However the swapon usually fails with a device not present. A "sleep 2" before swapon fixes it, which sort of confirms it is a race with the new udev getting to create it. However this is not a particularly elegant solution.

  • Marty Jack

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bugreport (33.6 KB ) - added by archaic@… 18 years ago.
bugreport-mkdir (31.9 KB ) - added by archaic@… 18 years ago.
bugreport-086 (32.1 KB ) - added by archaic@… 18 years ago.
bugreport-new_loop (1.7 KB ) - added by archaic@… 18 years ago.

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Change History (31)

comment:1 by Matthew Burgess, 18 years ago

Owner: changed from lfs-book@… to Matthew Burgess
Status: newassigned

Thanks for the report, Marty. I've seen this a couple of times too. Alexander mentioned that we need a loop to wait for uevents to be processed before continuing with the boot process at There's a shell script snippet there that should be placed at the end of the walk_sysfs() function in /etc/rc.d/init.d/udev. Would you be able to test and see if that fixes your problem?

comment:2 by alexander@…, 18 years ago

Let's make sure that the loop indeed works.

1) Compile a simple uevent logger:

cat >bug.c <<"EOF"
/* Simple event recorder */
#define _GNU_SOURCE
#include <sys/types.h>
#include <sys/stat.h>
#include <fcntl.h>
#include <unistd.h>
#include <stdlib.h>
#include <argz.h>

int main(int argc, char * argv[])
        char * envz;
        size_t len;
        int bug;
        bug = open("/dev/bug", O_WRONLY | O_APPEND);
        if (bug == -1)
                return 0;
        setenv("_SEPARATOR", "--------------------------------------", 1);
        argz_create(environ, &envz, &len);
        argz_stringify(envz, len, '\n');
        write(bug, envz, len);
        return 0;
gcc -o /lib/udev/bug bug.c

2) Add a logging rule to a separate file:

cat >/etc/udev/rules.d/90-bug.rules <<"EOF"
ACTION=="add", RUN+="bug"

3) Modify the udev initscript not as Matthew said in the previous comment, but in the following way (that still incorporates his wishes):

At the end of walk_sysfs(), add:

        # until we know how to do better, just wait for _all_ events to finish
        while test -d /dev/.udev/queue; do
            sleep 0.1
            test "$loop" -gt 0 || break
            loop=$(($loop - 1))
        test "$loop" -gt 0
        sleep 5
        if test -s /dev/bug; then
            mv /dev/bug /dev/bugreport
            boot_mesg "Please paste the /dev/bugreport file to" ${WARNING}
            boot_mesg ""
            boot_mesg "Otherwise, the next version of LFS may be unbootable on your system!"
            sleep 10
            rm -f /dev/bug

by archaic@…, 18 years ago

Attachment: bugreport added

comment:3 by archaic@…, 18 years ago

Added bugreport attachment for my laptop.

comment:4 by gerard@…, 18 years ago

Component: BookBootscripts

comment:5 by Matthew Burgess, 18 years ago

Version: SVNudev_update

comment:6 by alexander@…, 18 years ago

Severity: normalblocker


could you please retry with all three remaining combinations of the following changes:

  • Just after "udevd --daemon", add "mkdir -p /dev/.udev/queue"
  • Upgrade to Udev-086

and see if the bugreport is still there.


comment:7 by archaic@…, 18 years ago

Moving the code snippet at the end of the function or after the call, using the mkdir, not using the mkdir, upgrading to 086 and altering the previous things to achieve all combinations still produces a bugreport file. Not every boot, though. For each change it might take 2-5 reboots before the bugreport was created. The rest of the time it was appeared as if all was well. Dunno where to go from here.

comment:8 by alexander@…, 18 years ago

Does the bugreport file contain many uevents? Please paste the example with both the mkdir and udev-086. Upstream is going to ignore some kinds of uevent leaks, e.g., anything caused by USB storage.

But that doesn't change the fact that upstream doesn't have a fully working mechanism for waiting for all uevents to be processed.

by archaic@…, 18 years ago

Attachment: bugreport-mkdir added

by archaic@…, 18 years ago

Attachment: bugreport-086 added

comment:9 by archaic@…, 18 years ago

Yes, all of my bug reports are 32-34 KB. Most are not USB devices, but ttys. 2 more bugreports attached.

comment:10 by archaic@…, 18 years ago

I will be trying again today with 087. Will upload the bugreport (if there is one) tonight (tomorrow for you, Alex).

comment:11 by alexander@…, 18 years ago

You have not added a bugreport with both the mkdir and udev-086. If that combination produces the bugreport, read further. Otherwise, ignore.

No need to try udev-087. Even if this "fixes" the bug, please revert to 086, because that's accidental.

I think that the only way to handle this bug is to change the waiting part. But that's a big sledgehammer that only reduces the probability of the failure to something like 10-10 instead of completely eliminating it.

Instead of

        while test -d /dev/.udev/queue; do
            sleep 0.1
            test "$loop" -gt 0 || break
            loop=$(($loop - 1))

try (completely untested)

        while true ; do
            sleep 0.1
            test -d /dev/.udev/queue && confirm=0 || confirm=$(( $confirm + 1 ))
            loop=$(( $loop - 1 ))
            test $loop -gt 0 || break
            test $confirm -lt 10 || break

This is supposed to exit the loop not when the /dev/.udev/queue directory disappears for a moment, but when it also doesn't reapear 10 times in succession.

comment:12 by archaic@…, 18 years ago

The bugreports are indeed what you had asked for. There was very little change in all of the different combinations you asked for. Anyway, with the new loop instructions things became much better. After 7 boots without a usb device plugged in (but with usbcore and hid still loading) there were no failures. Once I plugged in my mouse I got 5 boots without and 4 boots with the error. Everytime there was an error, it appears the problem was with the kernel assigning a location for the device. Here's the output:

uhci_hcd 0000:00:10.2: UHCI Host Controller
uhci_hcd 0000:00:10.2: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 3
uhci_hcd 0000:00:10.2: irq 9, io base 0x00001c40
hub 3-0:1.0: USB hub found
hub 3-0:1.0: 2 ports detected
usb 1-2: new low speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 2
ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKD] enabled at IRQ 11
PCI: setting IRQ 11 as level-triggered
ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:00:10.3[D] -> Link [LNKD] -> GSI 11 (level, low) -> IRQ 11
PCI: Via IRQ fixup for 0000:00:10.3, from 0 to 11
ehci_hcd 0000:00:10.3: EHCI Host Controller
ehci_hcd 0000:00:10.3: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 4
ehci_hcd 0000:00:10.3: irq 11, io mem 0xd0004800
ehci_hcd 0000:00:10.3: USB 2.0 started, EHCI 1.00, driver 10 Dec 2004
usb 1-2: unable to read config index 0 descriptor/start
usb 1-2: can't read configurations, error -71

After this, the kernel reassigns usb 1-2 to another address successfully. Again, it seems this delay is prompting the bugreport because on the boots which assign the device correctly the 1st time, there is no bugreport. Also, the bugreport is now reduced to just usb stuff, but I am attaching it in case you want to see it.

by archaic@…, 18 years ago

Attachment: bugreport-new_loop added

comment:13 by alexander@…, 18 years ago

Try replacing "10" with "60" as the limit for $confirm (we should probably make this configurable). Yes, this means that the script will wait at least 6 seconds. This is still better than FreeBSD that waits 15 seconds unconditionally for SCSI devices to settle (even if there are none).

comment:14 by alexander@…, 18 years ago

One more ghost effect: the old loop with

echo -en '*'

just after "sleep 0.1" also reduces the size of the bugreport here.

comment:15 by archaic@…, 18 years ago

For more than a week now, with udev-087, linux-, and with the modified code that added the "confirm" tests, but without the latest "echo -en '*'" change, there has not been a bugreport. I have tested with every iteration of the following devices: external HD, USB mouse, USB keyboard, PTP2 camera (not mass storage). The same setup as this produced sporadic bugreports with udev-086.

Alex, please advise what further testing you want me to do. Should I revert udev or add the "echo -en '*'" snippet, or anything like that? And is anyone else testing this?

Matt, you were getting bugreports, too. What about with the newer kernel and udev? Are you still getting them? I will try a new build using the new udev_update bootscripts and report back. I also have a thumbdrive I can add to the mix. If I get a chance, I might even have time to throw a spare SCSI array into my gateway and kick off a build on that to test SCSI devices, but no promises at this point.

comment:16 by archaic@…, 18 years ago

Disregard my last comment. After looking around at why my new build wasn't having problems, it was because I forgot the rules addition to call the bug binary. The problem still exists, it is only USB leakage that I am seeing. I'm at work and can't do a lot of reboot testing, so I haven't had a chance to get anything but preliminary info.

comment:17 by alexander@…, 18 years ago

Please edit this line:

test $confirm -lt 60 || break

Replace 60 with some bigger number that makes the bugreport to go away reliably, and report that number here. Disregard the "echo -en '*'" comment.

comment:18 by ken@…, 18 years ago

FWIW, I've just seen this on 20060311 udev branch (that is, with udev-087 and bootscripts from 20051223), kernel is 2.6.16-rc6. This is on what I regard as a *fast* machine, I don't think I've had swapon fail before, so this would be 1 failure in about 10 or 15 boots.

I'll try adding the mkdir -p /dev/.udev/queue, but I don't expect to keep this build around for very much longer.

comment:19 by ken@…, 18 years ago

In fact, the failure happened on the very next boot, then 7 or 8 boots without error, then the next failure. Looks to be sufficiently random to piss people off.

I wondered about moving swap to after checkfs (on the assumptions that nobody will need swap when they run fsck, and that the time to check a clean journalled '/' will allow the device to appear). Seems iffy, but in my case I've got partitions up to sda15, with /home on sda12 and swap on sda13, and checking /home works even when mounting swap failed.

Or, does this just mean that something in the udev rules is delaying it too much ? The only extra rule I used to have was for my cd/DVD drive, but last night I added a rule for my memory stick (check it is usb, check the serial number). Perhaps this relates to the comment for 088 (ticket 1751), Provide "udevtrigger" program to request events on coldplug. The shell script is much too slow with thousends of devices. - I don't have thousands of devices, only 650+ with all those tty variants, but maybe it's a similar problem.

comment:20 by alexander@…, 18 years ago

The bug is not about rules, but about the initscript. The whole issue is that devices are created asynchronously in the background (no way to change this), and the bootscripts continue without sufficient waiting. Reordering of the bootscripts only hides but doesn't fix the problem.

Comments from people with LFS-Bootscripts < udev_update-20060321 and the book < 20060322 are useless and will be ignored. The bug (if anything remains) is both in our bootscript and in udevd itself (because upstream doesn't provide any other way to wait for udevd to process all uevents).

comment:21 by alexander@…, 17 years ago

The modified script is in the book, but it only hides the problem by sleeping for at least 6 seconds instead of fixing its origin. A mere "sleep 6" would "work" just as well instead of the whole loop, as indicated by the original report.

Therefore, given that upstream ignores the bug, it is a good candidate for WONTFIX resolution (this implies complete removal of udev from the book).

comment:22 by Wilco, 17 years ago

Same problem using bsd-init scripts. Using udev-0.89. Sleeping is pretty ugly but slackware is also using it so I don't know if there's an alternative.

echo "Starting udev" /sbin/udevd --daemon /sbin/udevtrigger mkdir -p /dev/.udev/queue while test -d /dev/.udev/queue; do

sleep 0.1 echo -n '.'


comment:23 by archaic@…, 17 years ago

Milestone: 6.2
Owner: changed from Matthew Burgess to archaic@…
Priority: normalhighest
Status: assignednew
Version: udev_updateSVN

comment:24 by alexander@…, 17 years ago

The bug is about the fact that this doesn't work reliably:

echo "Starting udev"
/sbin/udevd --daemon
mkdir -p /dev/.udev/queue
while test -d /dev/.udev/queue; do
    sleep 0.1
    echo -n '.'

So Slackware is buggy too.

comment:25 by Wilco, 17 years ago

Yeah it may be buggy but I is there another way?

This is from gentoo bootscripts:

    # loop until everything is finished
    # there's gotta be a better way...
    ebegin "Letting udev process events"
    while test -d /dev/.udev/queue; do
        sleep 0.1;
        test "$loop" -gt 300 && break
        loop=$(($loop + 1))

Same kind of loop although they admit there's gotta be a better way!

I think this is related to how udev handles child processes and I doubt if it can be fixed.

comment:26 by alexander@…, 17 years ago

The official LFS loop is:

        while true ; do
            sleep 0.1
            test -d /dev/.udev/queue && confirm=0 || confirm=$(( $confirm + 1 ))
            loop=$(( $loop - 1 ))
            test $loop -gt 0 || break
            test $confirm -lt 60 || break

It differs from Slackware and Gentoo by exiting not when the queue disappears, but when it doesn't reappear after 60 retries. The bug in Gentoo and Slackware is exactly that the queue sometimes disappears for a moment, and their script exits prematurely.

comment:27 by alexander@…, 17 years ago

Resolution: wontfix
Status: newclosed

Udev-090 includes the "udevsettle" program that is supposed to do the same as our loop. Upstream has added logic for the case when uevents are sitting in the kernel netlink socket buffer waiting for udevd to grab them and fooling our old loop.

So, any further discussion belongs to Ticket #1769, because this can no longer be classified as a bug in bootscripts.

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